Target Is Anti-christmas

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FROM THE AMERICAN FAMILY ASSOCIATION
On October 7 we brought to your attention that Target was banning the Salvation Army's kettles from the front of their stores. Now we've learned Target is also banning the use of "Merry Christmas" from their in-store promotions and from their advertising in papers, TV, etc.

Your efforts are having an impact. USA Today (11/16/05) announced that "Target alarmed investors by saying projected sales at stores open a year in November would miss the estimated 4% to 6% growth. Shares of Target fell $4.13 to $54.30." (A 7% drop.)

Target's ban of the Salvation Army and "Merry Christmas" expresses the same attitude toward Christianity as that held by Michael Newdow, who wants to ban "In God We Trust" from our currency and "under God" from our Pledge of Allegiance.

AFA is asking individuals to boycott Target during the upcoming Thanksgiving weekend—the busiest shopping weekend of the year. Please share this request to boycott Target on that weekend with friends, family and members of your church and Sunday school class.

Please sign the petition to Target. This petition will also be sent to other major chains banning the use of "Merry Christmas" including Costco, BJ's, Wal-Mart, Sears/K-Mart and Kohl's. It is basically too late to change their policies this year, but we can change it for next year. Last year we called for a boycott of Federated Stores because they banned "Merry Christmas." This year they are using "Merry Christmas!"

A successful boycott of Target will send a message to every company!

This is your opportunity to make your voice heard. Please act today and then forward this to friends and family.



Click Here to Sign the Petition To Target and Other Stores Now!
http://www.afa.net/petitions/signpetition.asp?id=1470


Sincerely,

Don

Donald E. Wildmon, Founder and Chairman
American Family Association
 
i was at costco the other day and heard this woman telling her mother (as they were looking at christmas cards) she wanted cards that said "happy holidays" instead of "merry christmas" because not everyone ... and her mom interrupted and said "is christian?" and she said, "well, not everyone celebrates christmas, and i don't want to offend them"... and i thought to myself, how ridiculous is that? if someone wished me a happy kwanzaa i'd smile at them, say thank you, and go on about my christmas celebration. i wouldn't be offended- if anything, i'd think they were just trying to spread goodwill.
target could honor each of the holidays by having signs for each. what kind of society have we become that we can't even mention our own religious and/or familial holidays, traditions, and rituals without fear of offending others? last i checked, this is still the land of the free...
 
It's a free country. People are free to worship whoever and whatever they want. This country was founded on those principles, NOT Christianity. I see absolutely NOTHING about Christianity or any other religion in the Bill Of Rights. Also, Jesus preached tolerance, forgiveness and not judging others. I get so sick when I see things like this, being a Christian myself. Am I supposed to hate my neighbor that is a Hindu and respects the earth and his peers? Would Jesus like that? I think not. Get over it people. There are other religions in the US besides Christianity, and the First Amendment allows people to practice those religions. You can worship a rock, or even the devil, so long as you are not committing crimes or hurting anyone else. Major retailers realize this and it's good for them. It's better to be neutral than to try to appease everyone. I will buy even more from Target now that I've read this. Do you know how much Target donates to charity already? They donate more than other major retailer. Are you willing to take that away from these charities just because they won't say "Merry Christmas?"
 
i don't think this is about hating other religions. i think it's more about preserving tradition. whatever the case may be, i just think it's ludicrous to worry that you're offending everyone else with your own traditions. i wouldn't expect a jewish shopkeeper to keep his menorah out of sight just to make sure he'd get more business (although in this society, he might have to), and i wouldn't expect an atheist to decorate for christmas, if he felt the holiday was nothing more than a religious one. target had merry christmas signs before and is no longer using them- that's fine, and it's their decision. they may not think it matters, but if it matters to enough of their clientele, then it WILL matter to target, too.
well, anyway, groove1, just as you have the right to shop at target more than you would have, wildbanchee has the right to refuse to shop there. if people think it's worth the effort and energy to shop at other stores this holiday season, i say go for it.
another great example of the freedom we enjoy :)
 
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You're absolutely right Clubchick. I just think it's unfair to punish all the other charities that Target supports. They do a lot for many different charities, moreso than most other retailers. They are not an anti-Christmas corporation or even a bad corporation.


I love Virgin Mobile's holiday saying : Happy Chrismahanukwanzakah.
 
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I wouldn't sign anything from this group. They are scary. Check out their website.
http://www.afa.net/
They are very anti gay. They also have a petition against sex ed in the schools.
 
I say boycott AFA. I highly doubt they are prefect. F*** them. Shop at Target. They donate $2 million to charity every week.
 
SharonL said:
They also have a petition against sex ed in the schools.
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I think you might have misunderstood the petition was all about. Yes, they are against sex ed in schools but UNDER reasoning that parents are the ones who have this obligation, not schools. And I do agree with that. I learned sex ed from my own parents 20-something years ago, and I'm thankful for that. Parents are the ones that kids must trust first. If I cannot trust my own parents, whom can I trust? Good parents raise good kids... And peace must come from home...
 
Are all parents sex experts? Most are not. Parents do not generally keep with the most recent sex education topics and facts. That's not to say that that teachers are experts either, but at least schools get more accurate information than parents would give. Anyway, this AFA group says they are Christian, but so does the KKK.
 
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Are all parents sex experts? Most are not. Parents do not generally keep with the most recent sex education topics and facts. That's not to say that that teachers are experts either, but at least schools get more accurate information than parents would give.
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I did mention the word "good", didn't I? Good parents always have to keep up-to-date with current issues (not just sexual issues) in society, but most importantly in the family. Those who have distorted views/perspectives about sex cannot be called 'good'.

What's new about sex today compared to, lets say 50 years ago, anyway? Human bodies, sexual organs, male and female roles, the purpose of sex, marriage, dignity, and respect. That should be the basics that should be taught, right? Especially the last two, which generally can only be taught effectively by parents. Please tell me what's new about sex that I don't know, that it can be done by having your finger in the ears now? :eek: LOL
 
New about sex in the past 50 years? You have heard about HIV correct? Or about the fact that the herpus virus, uncurable and for which there is no vaccine, relatively unkown 30 years ago, infects one out of every 5 Americans (jumps to 1 in 3 in college campuses) and is most commonly spread during oral sex, which many teens thing is a "safe" alternative to intercourse? In the 70s and 80s a lot of people also thought youcould get STI's (the term has been changed appropiately from STD's in the past 50 years) from a toilet seat. I could go on. These are things that teenagers should be taught, and most parents simply don't know anything about it. There are many many things about sex that have changed over the past 50 years. .
 
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You catch diseases if you don't know what you're doing. Now, if all of us teach our kids correctly and faithfully about the values of sex, they will wait until marriage, and none of them will have to worry about STD. Now you may be laughing at me, but that's the reality, I found that sex is beyond our comprehension and it's not just about genitals and lust, there's so much higher meaning to it, although mainstream media and some people do not depict it that way.
 
He3x said:
You catch diseases if you don't know what you're doing. Now, if all of us teach our kids correctly and faithfully about the values of sex, they will wait until marriage, and none of them will have to worry about STD. Now you may be laughing at me, but that's the reality, I found that sex is beyond our comprehension and it's not just about genitals and lust, there's so much higher meaning to it, although mainstream media and some people do not depict it that way.
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LMAO. When did kids start listening to their parents?
 
Target is 100% on the right side of this.

The Salvation Army has been/is being sued for discrimination against gays and purging its non-christian staff. NPR story (audio) http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1841528

Target doesn't need a letter; The Salvation Army does. They need to return to non-discriminatory practices.

Jimmy Carter left the Southern Baptist Convention back in 2000 when he felt they had begun to promote intolerance: http://edition.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/10/20/carter.baptists.ap/

More of us need to be following such an example when confronted with faith based discrimination and intolerance.

The neo-crusaders love to paint themselves as a persecuted minority, a negative and fallacious narrative seductive to the uneducated, suggestible turn of mind. There's no spirituality in this.
 
hmmmm... this has gotten really interesting...
1. kids don't always listen to their parents, however, when something is as important as sex education, parents need to bring it up regularly... and don't ask me to define "regularly", i've directly discussed it 4 times in the last 2 years with my daughter, as well as indirectly on many other occasions-- school dance, walking the neighbor boy's dog, boys at school, etc....
2. personally, i don't care much about what jimmy carter does... but that's just me :p
3. many christians see homosexuality as sin. that is their right. just as some people think smoking cigarettes is a heinous act, and are working their butts off to get it banned. (pun not intended, but i will take credit ;))
4. discriminating against who you hire is the right of any private company. otherwise, why would a college education be necessary? i don't see playboy hiring 300lb women to pose for them, nor do i see middle-aged men behind the counter at abercrombie & fitch. whether you think it's right or not, i have a right to discriminate against you. is it fair? no. but it is my right. and if it's true that the salvation army is discriminating in its hiring/firing, or the SBC is promoting intolerance, remember that they will have to face God one day. and if you don't believe in God, then you can laugh at them for thinking that their god would encourage intolerance and discrimination (that's your right ya know, of course you'd be stooping to their level :p).

besides, if you're gay, why would you want to be part of a religion that says your whole life is against the principles of that religion? or why would you want to work for a company that doesn't want you there? i know i have no desire to hang out with people who don't like me... just a thought
 
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I think that the Salvation Army mainly has volunteer positions working their buckets, but I bet that will make Target suffer when it comes to x-mas shopping
 
I've read all the posts, and i wasn't going to get in this....but I'm compelled..
One thing i've learned in life is to be Silently Neutral..In a world with over 6
Billion people, your going to have a FEW different opinions, with a few groups of people verbally objecting about a few different things. It will allways be that way...whether you choose to speak out or not. Its better for ME to listen and act in a non-objective manner...then do what i think is right, whether is is boycotting, voting, or anything else i have decided on.
It keeps the argueing and the blood pressure down. I guess thats all i have to say about it.
Your Fellow Spoofee Member

P.S. Someone will even have something to say about this post..... :)
 
daredevil said:
I've read all the posts, and i wasn't going to get in this....but I'm compelled..
One thing i've learned in life is to be Silently Neutral..In a world with over 6
Billion people, your going to have a FEW different opinions, with a few groups of people verbally objecting about a few different things. It will allways be that way...whether you choose to speak out or not. Its better for ME to listen and act in a non-objective manner...then do what i think is right, whether is is boycotting, voting, or anything else i have decided on.
It keeps the argueing and the blood pressure down. I guess thats all i have to say about it.
Your Fellow Spoofee Member

P.S. Someone will even have something to say about this post..... :)
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You're right, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, wether it is right or not, it is what they believe in, and they even have the right to act the way they want to about their opinion, even though it might not be legal all the time.
PS Daredevil, I think your post summed this all up :bigok:
 
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