Government Health Care

The article said:

The study by the National Audit Office found that patients do not know enough about the condition, and therefore delay going to see their GP.
Between half and three-quarters of people with symptoms wait more than three months before seeking medical help, and about a fifth delay for a year or more.


So you can't really blame the health care system if a person doesn't seek medical attention in the first place. The government isn't going to drag people into doctors' offices against their will. And there is also a shortage of doctors in the UK and Canada. So it's very difficult to properly compare their health system with any that is being proposed here.

Maybe when you're president you'll figure out a better solution.
 
Wish I was diagnosed sooner, if I had been I wouldn't be in the shape I'm in now...........
 
Livia said:
The article said:

The study by the National Audit Office found that patients do not know enough about the condition, and therefore delay going to see their GP.
Between half and three-quarters of people with symptoms wait more than three months before seeking medical help, and about a fifth delay for a year or more.


So you can't really blame the health care system if a person doesn't seek medical attention in the first place. The government isn't going to drag people into doctors' offices against their will. And there is also a shortage of doctors in the UK and Canada. So it's very difficult to properly compare their health system with any that is being proposed here.

Maybe when you're president you'll figure out a better solution.
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The shortage of Dr.'s is probably due to the pay and working conditions of a government managed healthcare system. Bottom line, it's not worth the time and effort to be a Dr. there....it is here, at the moment. :yesnod:

And just because he's president, doesn't mean he knows what the heck he's doing. BTW Dan would do a way better job. :wink:
 
Precocious, you’re right about the reasons so many doctors in those countries leave and come here. And we don’t know how a change in health care will affect that. There’s no perfect system that will please everyone.

But, the point I was making is the article really isn’t about health care system as much as getting early diagnosis for arthritis. The part I quoted is clear about the patient being the one not to seek early detection. It was their choice not to see a doctor. The way things stand here, some people don’t even have that choice. They have no health care and can’t afford a visit to the doctor even if they want to. That’s the part that needs to be changed. We should all have the right to make our own health choices like they do in some of these countries that we’re using as examples for reform here.
 
Livia said:
Precocious, you’re right about the reasons so many doctors in those countries leave and come here. And we don’t know how a change in health care will affect that.
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yes we do. if shift hits the fan with nationalized medicine, there will be a major exodus of docs out from United Socialist Alliance.
 
Livia said:
But, the point I was making is the article really in’t about health care system as much as getting early diagnosis for arthritis. The part I quoted is clear about the patient being the one not to seek early detection. It was their choice not to see a doctor. The way things stand here, some people don’t even have that choice. They have no health care and can’t afford a visit to the doctor even if they want to. That’s the part that needs to be changed. We should all have the right to make our own health choices like they do in some of these countries that we’re using as examples for reform here.
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My parents had superior health coverage....the problem...they didn't take advantage of it. For the most part, I, unfortunately, am the same. I don't go for every annual, etc......only when things become 'dire'.....go figure.

The problem is not the system but the person not recognizing and in denial that something could be wrong. A different or 'new' health care system won't change that. :nono:

You're right, we all need to make choices. By that I mean choices in their priorities in their life. Just like anything else, if you really want it, you'll work hard to get it. There are many in this country who do not do that and expect 'rights' and 'entitlements' to be handed to them.

Before anyone jumps on me...there are cases when that is not possible, and I am excluding this current financial crisis......there were systems and charities that would help out...but now the charities need help themselves.

When people are not overtaxed, they have more to donate to these types of institutions as well. When people are over taxed.....their 'charitable contributions' are the first cut.

And I am not saying that our current health systems doesn't need help, it does....but not what is being proposed. It's not "this or that"...there are many things that could be done to help it. Why throw the whole thing out, let's just 'fix' the problem areas.... If this goes through, we will jump from the frying pan straight into the fire.
 
and that's just one type of arthritis.. unfortunately alot of Dr. forget that there is more than just rheumatoid & osteo... so if you don't fit into the classification for those two.. oh well
as for our system.. there are alot of things that need to be fixed and from personal experience I think doctors are one of the things insurance another. Too many Dr.s have gone into the field just because of the good paycheck. Its taken going thru 3 GP's, 3 Orthopedists, a rheumatoid specialist, 2 physical therapist & 2 pain management groups to finally start finding the cause of over 12yrs of severe chronic pain. Its the Nurse Practitioner at the 2nd pain management group who is doing the most to find the causes. Not the doctors too many just don't give a rats @ss.
as for the charities being a help.. that is not always an option. Even though I had been with the same insurance for 17yrs when I had to resign my position due to my health, I was rejected for individual insurance. The only thing I could get is called Ky Access. It's for people no other insurance will touch. As per their contract you can not have help paying the premiums. No goverment program help, charity, church organ. or even from family members. Your dropped if you do.
So when anybody says we are going to try to find a way to help people like you.. someone who has worked their butt off since they were 15 [until they couldn't anymore].. I say please! .. it would be nice not to have medical take over 55% of the 15,600 I gross a year from a personal dis. policy.
I'm considered one of the lucky ones..I have insurance.
 
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