Health Care - How would you vote?

Would you vote for the current version of the Health Care bill?

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I would vote against this current mess and I certainly would not participate in a "deem and pass" or whatever the name of that Hail Mary play they were trying to sell is.

Americans clearly need help with healthcare but we need a mulit-pronged approach to the problem that is not bullied through by a President.

We need to address affordability for our citizens as well as address the issue of how costs are established/calculated by an industry which has the shared arrogance of the credit card companies with the motto: Because we can. Who else could bill you $9 for a box of Kleenex of $3/ Tylenol for a hospital stay???

Let's attack the issue from all sides not just run up the national debt.....because we can.
 
I am 100% for obamas healthcare reform. Alot of people are without health insurance and die because they can't get the proper care.

I think paying extra money/taxes for healthcare is worth it considering all the useless crap we already spend money on.
 
creddybears said:
I think paying extra money/taxes for healthcare is worth it considering all the useless crap we already spend money on.
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I don't want other people paying for my health care. I think that's my responsibility. I'm not against reform to make costs cheaper, but I am against sticking other people with the tab. I just don't think this particular bill is the answer. I think they need to spend more time at the drawing board. That's just my opinion though.
 
sweetwinter said:
Let's attack the issue from all sides not just run up the national debt.....because we can.
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I agree. Let's go back to the drawing board and get it right the FIRST time. Rather than ramming it through and then going back to fix our mistakes.
 
If Obamacare was such a great plan and was fair....would there be a need for a poll or any opposition? Wouldn't the question be, "why wouldn't one vote for it"?

I'm all for making healthcare more affordable for all but this is not what Obamacare is about.

P.S. I don't have 'extra money'...I'm all taxed out....
 
IF this were truly about health care, there is a far easier and less expensive way to go about it. Every county, parrish, or burough in every state in the country has a health department. They provide health services to those who can't afford( or don't want to pay) for private care. Redirect a portion of current Federal tax revenues from assisting foreign governments who really do NOT support our best interests, reduce the salaries of EVERY federal employee by 2%, and give that money to these health departments so that they can broaden their work.
 
Well I found out that the only people against this are people who get either FREE healthcare or pay very little thru their employer. I my self am a employer of 26 people and recently the rates went so high even though I'm involved into a large group plan such as cose that I am no longer able cover my employees.
I'm sure many of them will look for other jobs but a family plan was costing me on average of 1600.00 per month per person and the average single person was 425.00. Its simply about economics and nothing else. Its either that or close my doors.
 
If the issue were actually health care (my definition being physical health) it might be better than what is presently available otherwise. I am totally for increasing the general physical health of individuals.

Unfortunately the pharmaceutical industry and their chief dope peddlers (Psychiatrists) have managed to include "mental" along with this health package. As well as making money for "the industry" I believe these are a few tricks that were developed by Adolph and his boys. The object = control of the population.

Examples in the current plan:
1) Funding for community based "Health Teams," which will establish a system of early identification and referral for children at risk for developmental or behavioral problems.
2) Allocation of up to $5 billion every year for School Based Health Clinics to provide such services as: mental health assessments (screening), crisis intervention, treatment, counseling and referral to emergency psychiatric care.
3) Program for the Center for Disease Control to provide public health "interventions," screenings and clinical referrals for individuals between 55 and 64 years of age.
4) The creation of a new "paraprofessional child and adolescent mental health worker." The legislation states that this is "an individual who is not a mental or behavioral health service professional, but who works at the first stage of contact with children and families who are seeking mental or behavioral health services."

So now we'll have non-professionals recommending treatment to "professionals" who can't do anything more for someone than drug them. Heroin and cocaine were once "miracle medicines" used to "cure" people and then there was LSD that really "improved" people's "mental health". How many times does this have to happen before we stop doing it?

Just the other day I was talking to a guy who attended Woodstock with his parents. They have since both become Psychiatrists and have had him on psychiatric drugs for the past 30 years. He'd like to "get off of them" but every time he's tried he "goes crazy" so he doesn't try any more. Want him to do something for you? Just cut him off from his daily fix and he will soon do anything to "stay normal" if you'll just provide him with the drug. He's not an isolated case.
 
We have a small local hospital that takes Medi-cal & Medicare. For 2005 $200M & for 2006 $300M is owed from the government. They won't get it, so even when they talk about costs doesn't mean they are going to pay.
 
If health care reform was such a horrible plan and wasn't fair....wouldn't the politicians opposing it be making arguments based on facts? Instead they are depending on lies, distortions, racist code words, and Atrocious logic from the bizarro world. e.g. Sen. Lindsey Graham somehow thinks this is a Japanese suicide bomb attack, and Rep. Paul Broun somehow thinks this is related to and a continuation of the Civil War.
 
monkfish said:
If health care reform was such a horrible plan and wasn't fair....wouldn't the politicians opposing it be making arguments based on facts? Instead they are depending on lies, distortions, racist code words, and Atrocious logic from the bizarro world. e.g. Sen. Lindsey Graham somehow thinks this is a Japanese suicide bomb attack, and Rep. Paul Broun somehow thinks this is related to and a continuation of the Civil War.
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You are referring to members of the Stop Party who, along with Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck only want to see Obama fail. It wouldn't matter what the issue was, facts are not relevant. All is fair in hate and hatred and when operating from the standpoint there is nothing positive that could be considered.

The thing that baffles me is why any of this has to be made into law before it is tested. Wouldn't a pilot program expose the flaws and result in a proven, refined and final proposal?

:doh: I'm sorry, that's too sensible - forget I mentioned it.
 
monkfish said:
If health care reform was such a horrible plan and wasn't fair....wouldn't the politicians opposing it be making arguments based on facts? Instead they are depending on lies, distortions, racist code words, and Atrocious logic from the bizarro world. e.g. Sen. Lindsey Graham somehow thinks this is a Japanese suicide bomb attack, and Rep. Paul Broun somehow thinks this is related to and a continuation of the Civil War.
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Obviously some people that oppose things are crazy. However, I hear plenty of legitimate arguments against this health care bill.
 
servantofone said:
Obviously some people that oppose things are crazy. However, I hear plenty of legitimate arguments against this health care bill.
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Obviously some people that support things are crazy.





By the way, I've changed my mind! I listened to the audio from Monkfish's President's address in Ohio last week. He told the crowd of 200 that when this bill passes, that the cost of insurance for their employers would go down as much as 3000%!!!

I did the math, if I'm paying $4000 per year per employee for their medical insurance, when this passes, and my premiums go down 3000%, I'll be getting a check for $116000.00 for each employee!!
I'm going to be hiring a LOT of people!
 
DanC said:
... I listened to the audio from Monkfish's President's address ...
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Yes, I openly admit that I'm a citizen of the United States of America.
Dan, I hadn't realized you aren't. So if he isn't your president, why do you even care what we Americans do?
 
Just taking page from the liberals in the last administration. You know "He's not MY president".
 
DanC said:
By the way, I've changed my mind! I listened to the audio from Monkfish's President's address in Ohio last week. He told the crowd of 200 that when this bill passes, that the cost of insurance for their employers would go down as much as 3000%!!!
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To be fair, they issued a correction and said it would be an average savings of $3,000 not 3,000%.

And to be fair to Monkfish, MSNBC probably forgot to point out the flaws of Obama.
 
Obama has flaws? :lost: Knock me over with a feather, why don't you...:faint:


ETA BTW I heard a funny on the news tonight....."should this bill pass, we will no longer be paying for the medical bills of the uninsured"....:hmmmm:....uhhh...that would be because no one (no legal nor illegal) would be 'uninsured' and we would be hemorrhaging through the nose (and rear quarters) in payments for all.....:doh:
 
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hbfreightman said:
Well I found out that the only people against this are people who get either FREE healthcare or pay very little thru their employer. I my self am a employer of 26 people and recently the rates went so high even though I'm involved into a large group plan such as cose that I am no longer able cover my employees.
I'm sure many of them will look for other jobs but a family plan was costing me on average of 1600.00 per month per person and the average single person was 425.00. Its simply about economics and nothing else. Its either that or close my doors.
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Not sure where you have gotten your information from....but we pay far from "free or little" for our health care .....

If you think this plan will alleviate you from closing your doors because of rising costs, think again.......

This was your first post....do you know Roger? :laugh:
 
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